He considers her. Is what she describes problematic in itself? Is it a problem because everyone else says so? He'll never think that.

"I don't think that's wrong." Far below Shibuya, the lower levels of Mementos are shaking. "Is it wrong for me to say... a lot of the people here seem to have suffered a lot? Which is unimaginable, of course," he adds, as if it's obvious.

"The problem is, they see virtue in their suffering. Which you would, of course. But I can't imagine it's better to have suffered than not."