"Yeah they are," Makoto isn't going to deny that by any means. "That said I think that you seeing things about it means you're willing to change, and that counts for something." Takaya would have happily kept living, and killing in the moment up until the world ends but Ren seems like he'd take it back if he could.

"Takaya was mostly carrying out hits for the kicks of it," he explains. "Whether the asker had a petty disagreement or something serious didn't matter, since he thinks that persona users ought to prey on those without that power. If Ren was asking he didn't see the hurt in explaining.

Either way. "You on the other hand, seem to have serious survivor's guilt about it. I would know." He was still struggling with that after what happened to Shinji.